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piece of piece of that up and what if it

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very small piece of it so i think the

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surrounding um crashing spaceship that

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000 asteroids every single day that they

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secure i don't know about you i mean

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luca parmitano was on a spacewalk

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his helmet the abc's north america

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control he thought it was sweat in his

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man that's not sweating

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increasing or not increasing

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i see it now legally

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coming from ground control asks if he

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sucked all the water out of his drink

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bag he says he has fyi

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i steal a lot of water on the back of my

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head but i don't think it squeaked from

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against weddings

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it's too much i don't know

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now with water in his eyes and his

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hearing affected ground control

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the fishbowl just like you said last

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yes because what else

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can you think of can you imagine though

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he couldn't see hear or talk at one

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point oh and being stuck out in space it

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probably really is one of the scarier

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tragic crashes and things but but to

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just think that there you are you're

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in you're not even in a spaceship

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attendees the article's focus is to show

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that people drawn to the symposium were

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the type of tinfoil hat wearing crackpot

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conspiracy theorists that are often

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and there was no national press coverage

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to be found there were no articles about

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which was scheduled to be released to

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the media during the event no updates

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about the atacama humanoid and no

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coverage of the again i quote hard

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evidence that proves the crash of an et

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craft as promised in mufon press

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martin in light of the press conference

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of the symposium i'd like to ask you is

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mufon no longer relevant

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wouldn't go that far it is really kind

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of strange where you're not hearing too

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much about this maybe they were all

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abducted or something well you think

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even that would make no news right well

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by some witnesses anyway well hey thanks

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a lot michael that's it for the news

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uh yeah that's that's all i have and

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unless you want me to to pound on mufon

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some more no that's enough i could i got

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just want to give a listener shout out

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to uh to our friend bill in sweden

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during the show friday nights on the

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all one broadcasting.com website and i'm

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going to try to be there this this week

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i know martin's always there and you

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know you never know who you'll run in

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literally physically

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digitally run into when talking about

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podcast ufo now you can listen to a

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short clip by carrie whitehouse and

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right after that

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robert hastings thanks a lot michael

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[Music]

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how you doing robert good how are you

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i'm doing well thanks for joining us

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again and i've mentioned a couple of

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times maybe in a podcast or two that

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you've guided me through some guests and

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uh helped me a great deal always

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appreciate that my pleasure for those

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people who haven't listened to your

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other podcast with me earlier on and not

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aware of your book in your your

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lecturing and all that can you just give

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a brief rundown

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um

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i have been seeking out and interviewing

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military veterans

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who were involved in ufo incidents at

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nuclear weapons sites

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and i've interviewed over 140 of them

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beginning in 1973.

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the vast majority of those interviews

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are on tape

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i held a press conference at the

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national press club in washington in

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september of 2010

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cnn streamed that live if you go to my

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home page

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ufohastings.com

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scroll down you'll see the video of

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cnn's live streaming of my press

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conference at that event

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there were seven of these military

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veterans who were involved in incidents

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involving nuclear weapons

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um the most famous i think are the twin

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incidents at malmstrom air force base in

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1967

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in march about eight days apart

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two

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missile sites nuclear missiles and the

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missiles malfunctioned

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uh three of the four officers who were

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involved in that incident those two

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incidents

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have publicly to one degree or another

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been candid about their involvement

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their awareness of the incidents bob

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salus is the best known person he's been

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quite adamant that this needs to be made

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public he was the co-sponsor of my press

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conference

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another air force colonel retired named

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fred mywald who was with bob salas at a

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place called oscar flight

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has confirmed but in a more guarded

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fashion that indeed a ufo was present

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when all these missiles went down

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in the other incident a man named walter

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feigel who was a retired air force

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colonel talked about

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eight days prior to the incident at

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oscar flight he was at echo flight and

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the ufo

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suddenly was uh reported to be hovering

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over one of the nuclear missiles ten of

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them are controlled by a central launch

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control facility and walt fiegel said he

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took a call from a guard who was at one

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of the sites you know saying there's a

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large round object over the site and

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seconds later uh the missiles started

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malfunctioning one after the other all

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10 went down

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and the stories i've heard from many of

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my other veteran interviews

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are identical or very close to what

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these two gentlemen or three gentlemen

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have described

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so

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it's clear that if you

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look at the witness testimony and you

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look at the declassified documents if

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you go to my document page

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ufos have expressed an interest for

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whatever reason in our nuclear weapons

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sites going back to the 1940s

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by 1981 i felt i had enough of a

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credible

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case to make publicly and i felt very

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strongly that the public really needs to

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know about the reality of this that it's

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not science fiction

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that this is being kept from the

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american people and the rest of the

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world i went out on a college lecture

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circuit to try to

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basically wake people up

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and i've spoken at over 500 schools now

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all around the nation as well as oxford

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university in england

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in which i just present the documents

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the declassified documents on the

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witness testimony so that's what i've

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been doing now for basically 40 years

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right well i want to talk a little bit

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about the press conference

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cnn and a little bit about that but

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first

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of all

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i know that you listen to the ufo debate

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that i did with seth shostak oh i don't

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know maybe a year ago or so

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and there was a part in that where he

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says it's absolutely silly that ufos are

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around the missile silos and i even have

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that in a little clip of that in my

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intro of my podcast uh what do you say

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to that argument well seth showstack

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is just like the vast majority of

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scientists with all due respect to their

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own expertise in their their respective

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fields they haven't studied the ufo

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phenomenon they've never reviewed the

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data their noses are up in the air they

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think this is beneath their dignity they

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think this is foolishness and so they

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won't touch it with a 10-foot pole

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with the exception of a handful of

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scientists over the years it's

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considered you know

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a taboo subject

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but science has many examples in its

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history where things were considered

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beyond the pale

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but a few brave pioneers actually set

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aside their prejudices and

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preconceptions and at the risk of their

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own professional reputations took on the

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study of these very uh you know taboo

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types of subjects and that's how science

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has advanced it's clear that the ufo

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phenomenon is real if you look at the

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data that are available for example the

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empirical radar data it's clear that

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there are hundreds of cases all over the

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world where radar has picked up these

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objects traveling thousands of miles per

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hour they instantly stop or do a 90

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degree turn no aircraft on earth can do

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that not even in 2013

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and yet many of these reports go back to

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the 1940s

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so the data are there the scientists at

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some point

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one or two brave people will take the

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bull by the horns and and make some

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effort to study this uh one of the few

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people who did in the late 1960s the

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late dr james mcdonald

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did study ufos he was invited to speak

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to congress at a hearing on the subject

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of ufos in july of 68

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he said point blank my opinion is that

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these are extraterrestrial craft

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but with the exception of people like

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jay alan heineck who was an astronomer

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or stan friedman who as a physicist very

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few people in the sciences are willing

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to stick their necks out and look at

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what clearly is an important subject

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that deserves scientific attention

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right i agree with you on all that now

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getting back to your your press

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conference it was live streamed on cnn

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and it seemed like such a milestone at

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the time

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were you disappointed that it seemed

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like the press eventually just dropped

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the ball and didn't keep going

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i was disappointed but not surprised um

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bob salas and i knew that we would get

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some attention we didn't know how much

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um but at the press release that i sent

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out in in preparation for the press

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conference about 10 days prior to it

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uh went viral

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one could do a google search with the

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title of the press release at one point

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there were 2.4 million results

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so it just went through the roof

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we got lots and lots of calls lots and

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lots of inquiries but it's one of those

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stories uh that you know just died

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within a week suddenly there were no

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follow-up interviews uh these seven uh

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air force veterans who spoke including

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bob salas were divulging some very

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dramatic information

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one would think that you know national

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and international media would can see

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the value of this see the importance of

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it i mean you basically have persons who

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are entrusted by the u.s government to

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start world war iii if the president of

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the united states had issued a launch

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order to attack the soviet union during

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the cold war

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some of the people that were speaking at

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my press conference were the people that

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would have turned the launch keys and

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started world war three so they're quite

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credible they were considered you know

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trustworthy by the government to do that

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very important horrible task if it had

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ever happened uh you know and yet now

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over 100 of them 140

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missile officers launch officers

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targeting personnel missile maintenance

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people missile guard guards are now

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coming forward and saying ufos

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maneuvered around our missiles and on

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some occasions the missiles malfunction

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and yet you know uh

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not surprisingly i guess but at the same

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time one wonders why it didn't happen

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uh no major news organization

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organization anywhere in the world did a

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follow-up no one approached any of these

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seven individuals for follow-up

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interviews unbelievable um

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so you know it's it's just one of those

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things that i think until you know

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something ultra-dramatic happens

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some sort of display put on by whoever

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are flying ufos um that leaves no doubt

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in anyone's mind that this is real i

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think the vast majority of the media are

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just going to consider this you know

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like a slow news day story oh well no no

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real news let's do a ufo story

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you know at the symposium i just went to

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recently there was a person that was in

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the audience that got up and asked the

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panel uh a question

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he said to them that they must be

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frustrated with all the work they've

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done

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and with little changes over the years

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and what keeps them going so i would

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like to ask you that same question

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um it's clear that the information that

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i have pried loose from these ex-air

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force officers and enlisted men is is

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dramatic it's important um it's clear

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that

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the phenomenon the ufos whoever piloted

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piloting them have been on the scene at

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the very inception of the nuclear age

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they've monitored nuclear testing in

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america and nevada and down in the south

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pacific we're testing weapons i've got

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multiple witnesses saying they've seen

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objects flying around right before the

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nuclear tests

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we now know declassified documents from

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the former soviet union nuclear sites in

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the ussr were being visited repeatedly

558
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,640
year in and year out so it's clear that

559
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,480
whoever they are have an interest in our

560
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:47,919
nuclear weapons

561
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,880
um

562
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,679
so at the very least what i'm doing is

563
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,400
by taping these witnesses and

564
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,120
on audio tape and soon on videotape for

565
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,039
a movie i'm making

566
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:01,600
these very important eyewitnesses will

567
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,080
be at least on the historical record

568
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,640
they're now in their 70s in some cases

569
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,919
their 80s

570
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,520
they're not going to be around forever

571
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,240
but their tape testimony will be and so

572
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:14,559
when the story finally breaks and when

573
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,720
historians go back and say what was all

574
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,799
this about and you know when did this

575
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:20,320
start and so on there will be a

576
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:23,039
historical record that they can refer to

577
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:23,919
um

578
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,440
i'm hoping you know i'm i'm 63 myself i

579
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,760
i'm very pessimistic that i'll live to

580
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,760
see the big announcement from washington

581
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,520
that all of this is real

582
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:35,760
uh hopefully i will but i i don't think

583
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,760
there is uh you know any guarantee by

584
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,159
any means but the work that i'm

585
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,799
compiling the the database will be

586
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,960
around long after i'm gone

587
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,400
i just mentioned the same thing in our

588
00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:47,840
last podcast

589
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:49,679
that i don't think i'll be around you

590
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:51,760
know maybe not and i'm okay with that

591
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,480
but

592
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,799
we'll talk a little bit about your movie

593
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:57,440
in a minute but the question comes to

594
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,640
mind

595
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,240
is if you had

596
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,919
to theorize

597
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,000
um why they're tampering with i mean i

598
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,000
know what i'm thinking i'm thinking that

599
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,360
they're trying to keep us from blowing

600
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,640
each other up

601
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:09,919
but uh

602
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,360
what would your thoughts or have you

603
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:12,880
heard any

604
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:14,320
besides your own thoughts have you ever

605
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,840
heard any theory that was really

606
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,640
intriguing to you

607
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:21,440
uh that that is my opinion that whoever

608
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:23,200
they are

609
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:24,240
it's like a

610
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,880
mother watching a child about to burn

611
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,280
itself on a hot stove and pushes his

612
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:30,480
hand away

613
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,400
i think whoever they are they've looked

614
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:35,200
at the situation since world war ii for

615
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,120
the first time humans have weapons that

616
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:39,600
can not only destroy utterly silver

617
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,480
civilization but we could radioactively

618
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:44,400
pollute the planet for a long time to

619
00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,799
come if we you know detonate thousands

620
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,640
of nuclear weapons

621
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:50,960
so whoever they are i think are just

622
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,360
sort of working behind the scenes uh

623
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:55,280
they're making their presence known both

624
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:56,960
to the us military and the russian

625
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,840
military uh other anyone who has nuclear

626
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,919
weapons have had these experiences

627
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,520
there's french

628
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,559
french

629
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:06,799
nuclear test

630
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,039
testimony from people who saw ufos

631
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,440
during french tests i'm sure anyone who

632
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:13,440
has weapons of this

633
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:16,480
type have had these experiences but as i

634
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,720
tell my lecture audiences um

635
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,320
even though that's my opinion what's

636
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,200
going on i have no inside track on the

637
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,679
on the truth and if one is to look at

638
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:27,679
all the options all the possibilities to

639
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,600
explain for what's being described by

640
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,360
these military veterans

641
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:33,200
i say at the other end of the spectrum

642
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,080
you could say or theorize that

643
00:24:41,909 --> 00:24:38,960
this race of beings from somewhere else

644
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,919
does not have humans interests at heart

645
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,840
and let's say they're planning to invade

646
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,200
and they don't want to inherit a

647
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:46,400
radioactive

648
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,679
planet

649
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,520
so you know you have to look at the

650
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,600
whole range of possibilities i don't

651
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,919
think that's the case but you never know

652
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,520
you know well they still got a lot of

653
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,679
cleaning up to do

654
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,840
oh yeah and we've done we've polluted

655
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,520
we've pulled it at the site the the

656
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:03,600
planet horribly already with uh

657
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,320
plutonium manufacturing and so on yeah

658
00:25:10,950 --> 00:25:09,039
absolutely absolutely so why don't you

659
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:10,960
tell us about your movie you have uh

660
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:13,919
planned or is it in production

661
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,559
it's just now entering into production

662
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,000
yes um

663
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,480
i'm not i'm not at liberty liberty to

664
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:23,039
identify him but about a year and a half

665
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:23,919
ago

666
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,400
a very well to do individual who

667
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:29,279
believes what i'm doing is important has

668
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:32,159
decided to fund my research and

669
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,320
to provide funding for a documentary

670
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,720
film and uh

671
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,039
it's uh it's going to be

672
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,640
hopefully completed in the spring of

673
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,799
2014

674
00:25:46,870 --> 00:25:45,360
next month in august we're flying uh six

675
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:46,880
or seven of these veterans to

676
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:49,279
albuquerque to videotape interviews with

677
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,080
them

678
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,720
uh i'm gathering documentation of one

679
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,480
kind or another that will appear in the

680
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:55,440
film

681
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:56,720
and uh

682
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,760
what once we have a finished product so

683
00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:01,600
to speak then we'll start start

684
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,279
approaching the television networks and

685
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,440
hopefully someone will buy it somebody

686
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:06,640
will air it

687
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:09,279
and then the way these deals work you

688
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,600
know you can keep broadcasting it on

689
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,000
various networks over time so hopefully

690
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:16,159
this will get wide exposure

691
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,600
sooner or later

692
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:19,360
that's great i was just saying the other

693
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:21,360
day we need another lawrence rockefeller

694
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,480
out there to

695
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,640
you know fund some of these things

696
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:26,880
can you be more specific about what the

697
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,320
movie is about in general

698
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
well it it was

699
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,559
90 minutes in length and i've scaled

700
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,480
down the script so it's going to be just

701
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,640
under an hour as it will appear when

702
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:40,559
broadcasted

703
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,320
basically i think it's important to go

704
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:44,640
back and look at the story from the

705
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:45,679
beginning

706
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,559
and so i present documents that have

707
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,400
been declassified through the freedom of

708
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,039
information act from the fbi the air

709
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,000
force the cia that confirm as early as

710
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:58,240
december of 1948

711
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:00,880
ufos what are described as flying discs

712
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:03,440
or flying saucers in the documents

713
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:06,159
suddenly began to be cited around los

714
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:07,919
alamos which is where the

715
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,120
atomic weapons were first invented at

716
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,279
sandia labs in albuquerque another

717
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,240
nuclear lab at hanford site up in

718
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:19,200
washington which just produces plutonium

719
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,480
at savannah river at oak ridge various

720
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,240
nuclear weapons related sites the

721
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,600
documents

722
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,679
clearly established that not long after

723
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,000
the end of world war ii these craft

724
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:32,640
began to appear on a semi-regular basis

725
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:34,480
at all of these nuclear sites

726
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:37,919
and then i uh very quickly show excerpts

727
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,240
from the press conference the cnn stream

728
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,120
press conference that i held in 2010

729
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,120
so bringing the audience up to date

730
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,600
basically saying here are people finally

731
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,320
talking about this for the media

732
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,960
and then i backtrack and and cover some

733
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,960
of the important cases over the last 40

734
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,000
years

735
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:57,840
i mentioned earlier the two incidents at

736
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:00,240
malmstrom air force base in montana in

737
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:03,919
march of 67 where objects hovered over

738
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,600
nuclear missile sites and the missiles

739
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,000
malfunctioned i also talked about the

740
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,720
big sur case which is dramatic beyond

741
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:11,760
belief

742
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:15,200
um just a quick summary of that um there

743
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:17,039
were missile tests being conducted at

744
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,440
vandenberg air force base in california

745
00:28:23,190 --> 00:28:21,200
in the early 60s

746
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:23,200
a man named bob jacobs he was a

747
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,039
lieutenant at the time in charge of the

748
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,120
photographic team that was filming these

749
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,440
missile launches

750
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:32,080
he in the early 80s broke his silence

751
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,520
and said that they were filming one of

752
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,600
these missile launches they saw the

753
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:37,679
dummy nuclear warhead flying out over

754
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,640
the pacific ocean after it had separated

755
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,200
from the booster rocket and suddenly in

756
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,279
this one launch uh

757
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,440
this small object appeared on in the

758
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,679
camera frame and approached the dummy

759
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,080
warhead which was flying at about 11 000

760
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,600
miles per hour

761
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,159
circled it and flashed four bright beams

762
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:58,399
of light at it and suddenly it started

763
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,080
tumbling and fell into the ocean

764
00:29:04,149 --> 00:29:02,159
hundreds of miles short of its target

765
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:04,159
meanwhile on film you see the small

766
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:07,039
point of light going retracing its steps

767
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:09,120
and basically leaving from the direction

768
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,159
it came

769
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:12,799
now another officer retired air force

770
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,039
officer named florence mansman major

771
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:16,640
mansman

772
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,720
in the mid 80s confirmed all of this

773
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:21,039
said bob uh you know i wish bob jacob

774
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,880
said not talk about this but since he

775
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,799
has the cats out of the bag it did

776
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,760
happen

777
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,240
he said that i i analyzed that film

778
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:30,799
frame by frame of the magnifier and when

779
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,960
i did i found out that little point of

780
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:35,200
light was a disc shaped object with a

781
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,240
dome

782
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:39,120
he said you could see it rotate on its

783
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,440
lateral axis right before each beam of

784
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,600
light emanated from it

785
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:45,840
and it describes it in great detail

786
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,960
major mansman said that the cia two sent

787
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:49,919
two

788
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,919
you couldn't call them agents but

789
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,480
employees two cia employees who picked

790
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:55,840
up

791
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,880
the the film and took it back to

792
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,720
washington and it's not seen the light

793
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,200
of day since so what you have bottom

794
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:06,559
line with this case the big sur case is

795
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:08,480
photographic evidence according to these

796
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,120
two retired air force officers that

797
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:13,919
um a ufo in effect shot down a dummy

798
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:16,399
nuclear warhead with beams of light in

799
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:18,480
in in flight

800
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:19,279
um

801
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:21,679
so it's it's basically the same kind of

802
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:24,559
feat that the ufos are performing when

803
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,080
they hover over the missile sites and

804
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,559
the missiles are disabled except in this

805
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,039
particular case the the warhead was the

806
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,600
dummy warhead was flying at 11 000 an

807
00:30:37,350 --> 00:30:35,120
hour

808
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:37,360
quite clearly that their technological

809
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:39,840
prowess is orders of magnitude beyond

810
00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:43,360
anything humans have absolutely if only

811
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,720
someone could get their hands on that

812
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:47,200
film i'm sure it exists somewhere

813
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,960
you know oh yeah yeah

814
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,880
it probably went to what's called end

815
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,919
pick

816
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:54,080
uh the photo uh national photo

817
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:55,760
interpretation center which is part of

818
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,360
cia

819
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,120
at the time the man heading that up

820
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:01,039
would have been art lundell

821
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,440
and he's the one that briefed president

822
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,840
kennedy when they did the u2 overflights

823
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,919
of cuba during the cuban missile

824
00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:10,480
crisis and uh found the soviet missiles

825
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,080
in cuba art london went to the white

826
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,159
house with these large photos blow-ups

827
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:16,080
and showed president kennedy and said

828
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,440
you know the russians had missiles in

829
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,399
cuba

830
00:31:22,950 --> 00:31:21,039
um his group and pick which he founded

831
00:31:25,029 --> 00:31:22,960
i'm sure was the group within cia that

832
00:31:27,510 --> 00:31:25,039
did the analysis of the film

833
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,520
but uh various people over the last 20

834
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,679
years have tried to use the foia the

835
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:32,399
freedom information act to get document

836
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,159
or to get the film rather

837
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,960
and you know they just played dumb they

838
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,519
no one in the pentagon no one at cia

839
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:41,120
will acknowledge even knowing about the

840
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:43,120
film let alone possessing it

841
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,480
yeah yeah

842
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,039
uh par for the course do you have a

843
00:31:51,669 --> 00:31:48,799
working title for your movie that you're

844
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:51,679
working on and a date of a release

845
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,799
um my book is called ufos and nukes and

846
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,640
that's the working that's the working

847
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:58,880
title of the film

848
00:32:03,350 --> 00:32:00,399
um the

849
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,360
release date it's in i couldn't really

850
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,039
tell you at this point hopefully spring

851
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:07,200
of 2014.

852
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,039
well i'm on your mailing list and i get

853
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,880
your articles as you write them and

854
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:12,799
enjoy every single one of them

855
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,360
and someone can do that just by writing

856
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:17,519
you on your website can't they

857
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:20,640
yes uh contact me and i'll i'll update

858
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,159
people and let them know when the film

859
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:25,200
is is anticipated to come out yes yeah

860
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:26,080
now

861
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,240
on your website you have an article

862
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,960
about the british ministry of defense

863
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,919
released

864
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,679
all of the ufo files with a question

865
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,440
mark can you talk a little bit about

866
00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:37,519
that that's an interesting article

867
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,000
um nick pope who used to work for the

868
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:42,480
ministry of defense

869
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:45,679
for many years at their ufo desk as they

870
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:47,600
call it

871
00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:48,799
he has

872
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:51,600
sort of in my view until just now or

873
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:54,840
just recently he has more or less

874
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,320
um i i in my view he pulled his punches

875
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,799
he didn't really explicitly say what was

876
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,279
going on at mod in terms of the document

877
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,320
release

878
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:05,760
uh what

879
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,960
he did for me within the last probably

880
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,440
two to three weeks ago was tell me

881
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:13,279
in an email that

882
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,080
uh

883
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,559
these low-level document releases that

884
00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,159
have taken place over the last five

885
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:21,279
years by mod the ministry of defense

886
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,080
um

887
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,279
in effect are meant to deflect public

888
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,760
interest deflect media interests deflect

889
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,000
the interest of a british parliament so

890
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
they don't clearly and closely look at

891
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,960
the real situation the the mods real

892
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,679
take on ufos

893
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,000
what he tells me in this email which

894
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:42,320
i've reprinted in a press release that

895
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:45,039
appears in my article on the release of

896
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:46,720
the documents is that

897
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:48,240
you know these low-level document

898
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,840
releases were already considered

899
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,000
by the ministry of defense they were not

900
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:56,159
considered as important information

901
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,360
whereas

902
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:00,240
documents relating to national defense

903
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:03,519
in in the uk or intelligence matters

904
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:06,480
national security in general

905
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,839
are exempt from foi disclosure

906
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,960
what what i what i said in my article

907
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:14,399
was this that what the british

908
00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:16,159
government is doing now is the same

909
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,960
thing the american government did in

910
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,599
1969

911
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,119
they

912
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:23,200
made this big to-do about we've studied

913
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,839
ufos for 22 years we found no evidence

914
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,800
that they

915
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:28,800
jeopardized national security therefore

916
00:34:33,190 --> 00:34:31,280
we're closing down project blue book

917
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,200
and the the sleight of hand the game

918
00:34:37,109 --> 00:34:35,040
that was being played was

919
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:37,119
you know we're no longer investigating

920
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,520
ufos well that was

921
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,280
entirely untrue

922
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,679
and documents released in the 70s

923
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:45,760
through the foia confirmed that other

924
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,200
groups within the air force were

925
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:50,159
continuing to study ufos always had

926
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:53,280
studied national security related ufo

927
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,560
incidents

928
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:56,800
a group called osi the office of special

929
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,880
investigations is one of them

930
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,200
we now know that cia and the national

931
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,599
security agency also were studying uf i

932
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,320
was gathering data but the game that was

933
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,880
played the pr exercise that took place

934
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,480
in 69 was

935
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,000
hey americans

936
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:13,839
we found no evidence that ufos

937
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,839
jeopardize national security therefore

938
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,440
we're no longer going to look at them

939
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,520
and we're closing down blue book

940
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:21,359
meanwhile all these other investigations

941
00:35:25,510 --> 00:35:24,160
were going on and secrecy continued to

942
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,520
and that's the same thing the british

943
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,839
government's doing now and

944
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,040
nick pope

945
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,040
basically and when i sent him the draft

946
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:33,680
of my article i was expecting him to

947
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:35,839
kind of push back and contradict what i

948
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,400
was saying and much to my surprise

949
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,800
he writes this very explicit statement

950
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,720
which appears in my press release on my

951
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,640
article at my website

952
00:35:48,069 --> 00:35:45,920
saying yes

953
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:48,079
these low-level document releases are

954
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,760
designed to deflect media interests the

955
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,960
interests of the public and the

956
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,680
parliament basically to get

957
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:58,640
those you know the british public off

958
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,320
the mods back

959
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,480
and that's the first time he's been that

960
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,800
candid about all of this so i i felt it

961
00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,920
was worth a press release i paid 500

962
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,000
to issue that and it got widely picked

963
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:11,680
up all around the world just in the last

964
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,480
two weeks wow wow that's great

965
00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:17,200
now you had a little bit of a beef

966
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:19,119
if that's the word i want to use

967
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:21,520
with the recent citizen hearing on

968
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,800
disclosure

969
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:25,520
are you up for talking about that

970
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,480
sure

971
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,359
i've got an article again at my website

972
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:30,960
i don't remember the title of it off the

973
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:34,480
top my head but it does talk about the

974
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,079
the citizens hearing disclosure

975
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:40,240
conference that steve bassett hosted

976
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,920
back in may

977
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:44,320
late april early may i think it was

978
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:45,440
um

979
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:47,359
basically what i said was

980
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,359
he had pestered me to be a part of that

981
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,480
bob salas and three i think it was of

982
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,560
the other ex-missile

983
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:58,480
people who i had interviewed over the

984
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:01,040
years did decide to attend and address

985
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:02,000
it

986
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,720
i chose not to because in my view steve

987
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:07,280
beth is a grandstander

988
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,839
he loves the spotlight he in my view

989
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,560
does more damage than good because

990
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:15,040
he refuses to vet his witnesses he has

991
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,800
credible people

992
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,400
you know mixed in with people who

993
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,240
clearly are not credible

994
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:22,960
in my view and it brings down the

995
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:26,000
quality of the data down uh dramatically

996
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,440
leslie kane

997
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,320
uh who is even more conservative than i

998
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:32,400
in our approach to the study of the

999
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:36,560
subject she also refused to attend

1000
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,640
so i have an article saying that i just

1001
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,880
felt that it if i have credible data

1002
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:42,640
developed over decades

1003
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:45,599
if i'm presented in a forum with other

1004
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,280
less than credible data then it

1005
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,119
undercuts the credibility of what i'm

1006
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,480
attempting to do

1007
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,200
so i declined to be involved

1008
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:55,599
in particular

1009
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:57,680
what i take issue with are

1010
00:38:04,550 --> 00:38:01,119
people who advocate the legitimacy of

1011
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:04,560
something called mj12 majestic 12. i'm

1012
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:06,560
one of the people in the late 80s who

1013
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,640
exposed that as a hoax actually a

1014
00:38:13,670 --> 00:38:11,200
disinformation scheme

1015
00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:13,680
where we actually found forged documents

1016
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,400
being forged at osi office of special

1017
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:18,240
investigations at kirtland air force

1018
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:19,839
base in new mexico

1019
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:22,160
a man named sergeant richard doty

1020
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:24,880
and was working with another man named

1021
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,960
captain robert collins

1022
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,880
they basically suckered linda mutton

1023
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,119
howell they fed her a bunch of bull they

1024
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:33,119
gave her forged documents

1025
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,640
linda is

1026
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,079
one of the most gullible people i've

1027
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,160
ever met i've talked to her i've seen

1028
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,880
what she's written about publicly uh she

1029
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,480
really uh

1030
00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:43,680
you know just

1031
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,359
muddied the waters immensely by

1032
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:48,720
publicizing all of this crap back in the

1033
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,920
early 80s and the ball is still rolling

1034
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:53,920
and even at the citizen hearing she was

1035
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,200
talking about this opposed mj 12 dot

1036
00:39:02,150 --> 00:38:59,440
related document

1037
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,160
that was legitimate and her estimate and

1038
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,640
yet the the people who and studied that

1039
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,359
and investigated have found like 50 or

1040
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,760
60 flaws actual errors in it that

1041
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,800
clearly

1042
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:12,320
prove it to the hoax

1043
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,760
so

1044
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:15,599
long story short i just didn't want to

1045
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:16,400
be

1046
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:18,880
sitting there presenting my information

1047
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:21,200
which is credible and documented

1048
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,440
at the same time linda muttonhowe and

1049
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,960
other people were talking about this

1050
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,280
this already exposed nonsense as if it

1051
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,160
were real and worthy of public attention

1052
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,680
yes i do believe that linda molten ohio

1053
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:36,160
at one time was on a really good track i

1054
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,880
mean

1055
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,640
her story on the

1056
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,960
cattle mutilations and things like that

1057
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,359
just seemed really solid at one time and

1058
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,440
it does seem that a lot of people tend

1059
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,160
to stray a little bit as if they're in

1060
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:50,880
this long enough well i agree with that

1061
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,280
and i've written articles in the past in

1062
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:55,040
which i've said just that she her

1063
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,400
initial work on

1064
00:40:03,030 --> 00:39:59,040
cattle mutilations was groundbreaking

1065
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,040
um she actually did a film called uh

1066
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:05,680
let's see strange harvest maybe i think

1067
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:06,640
yeah

1068
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,640
it won a regional emmy in 1980 if i'm

1069
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,560
not mistaken and

1070
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,880
on the strength of that this film about

1071
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,359
cattle mutilations hbo gave her a one

1072
00:40:22,829 --> 00:40:20,000
million dollar budget to produce a film

1073
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,839
on the ufo cover-up and shortly

1074
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,359
thereafter she suddenly gets a call from

1075
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,839
this osi agent richard dodie saying come

1076
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:30,000
to kirtland air force base we want to

1077
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:31,760
give you the inside story we know you're

1078
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,200
doing this movie we're going to give you

1079
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:35,119
the good story because the government

1080
00:40:40,710 --> 00:40:38,320
wants to break the story about ufos well

1081
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,720
she swallowed that hook line and sinker

1082
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,920
uh

1083
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,520
as i said earlier they ended up giving

1084
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:45,680
her a bunch of forged documents and a

1085
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,960
bunch of bull

1086
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:48,000
about

1087
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:52,480
u.s treaties any number of nonsensical

1088
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,359
things

1089
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:54,880
and

1090
00:40:58,390 --> 00:40:56,640
one of the other civilian researchers

1091
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:58,400
they sucked into this a guy named bill

1092
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,599
moore

1093
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:02,800
i ha i helped expose him in march of 89

1094
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,119
and he actually showed up at my door and

1095
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,960
threatened me and basically said you

1096
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,640
know tried to get me to retract my

1097
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:10,960
statements which i didn't and three

1098
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,079
months later in in whenever july 1st of

1099
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,280
89 at the mufon conference in in las

1100
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:19,920
vegas he stood up and confessed to about

1101
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,880
90

1102
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,480
of what i had written three months four

1103
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,880
months earlier right and said that yes

1104
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,040
he and linda howe and others civilian

1105
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:28,800
researchers have been sucked in by this

1106
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,760
disinformation scheme linda's ego

1107
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,480
apparently won't let her admit it uh to

1108
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,880
herself even but she you know she was

1109
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,560
duped she was just led around by the

1110
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,640
nose and um

1111
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:42,000
she's still

1112
00:41:49,349 --> 00:41:46,240
documents as legitimate and important as

1113
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,359
recently as this past may it's crazy

1114
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,839
yeah i was talking to

1115
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,760
um chris slambright who was sitting in

1116
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,319
that audience when bill moore came out

1117
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,000
and he said he was just blown away by

1118
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,270
um situation we talk a little bit about

1119
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,000
jaime mohson's uh film that he's doing

1120
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:08,640
he's working with you on this is he

1121
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:11,920
uh he heimi is working on a production

1122
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,800
for mexican television and i think it's

1123
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:16,720
going to air before the end of the year

1124
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:19,839
uh basically it's covering the nuclear

1125
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:22,720
weapons related ufo incidents so it

1126
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:25,359
largely has to do with my research

1127
00:42:31,190 --> 00:42:28,560
and um last fall and again this spring i

1128
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,200
traveled with him and his camera team

1129
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:33,440
around the country and we interviewed

1130
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,400
probably six or seven veterans uh who

1131
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:38,160
will appear in the film

1132
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,240
um discussing the kinds of things that

1133
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,400
i've been talking about this past few

1134
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,240
minutes

1135
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,880
so that's that's what that's about um

1136
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,040
it basically will open up

1137
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,160
for a spanish speaking audience uh my

1138
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,040
research which which really has been not

1139
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:56,960
available to them unless they someone

1140
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:58,960
speaks english as well

1141
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:01,920
so this is a very positive development

1142
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:03,040
um

1143
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,119
i i recently

1144
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,000
attended a uh conference in copenhagen

1145
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:10,400
uh the the danish

1146
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,480
exopolitics

1147
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,400
groups meeting

1148
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,000
i've done a similar meeting in in

1149
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,560
stockholm sweden and also spoken down in

1150
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:19,680
brazil

1151
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:22,880
at a ufo conference back in l9 i i'm

1152
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:25,280
trying to get as many

1153
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,800
people around the world you know

1154
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:28,800
non-english speakers

1155
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,280
uh tuned in to the fact that this is all

1156
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:33,359
real that ufos are interested in our

1157
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,800
nuclear weapons

1158
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,800
and try to you know spread the word so

1159
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,119
to speak so

1160
00:43:43,990 --> 00:43:41,359
working on will be a an excellent way to

1161
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:44,000
do that for spanish the spanish audience

1162
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:44,880
yeah

1163
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:48,079
on sort of a related topic has there

1164
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,599
ever been any

1165
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,400
sightings over nuclear power plants

1166
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:54,720
oh absolutely and um

1167
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,599
in my book ufos and nukes it's available

1168
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,440
at my website um

1169
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,680
it's available at amazon if you want to

1170
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,920
pay scalper rates they buy it from me

1171
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:05,599
and resell it for three times what i

1172
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,839
sell it for but if one one goes to my

1173
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:10,720
website you can order the book and the

1174
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,960
one of the appendices i have

1175
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,680
i don't know maybe 10 pages about cases

1176
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,640
involving

1177
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,640
nuclear power plants where these objects

1178
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:20,800
have hovered over power plants

1179
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,839
um going back decades in fact uh the

1180
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:26,640
most dramatic case apparently was the

1181
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:29,040
chernobyl plant the the reactor that

1182
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,960
exploded in ukraine in april of 86

1183
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,280
a decade later there were articles

1184
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,359
appearing in the ukrainian and russian

1185
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,599
media this was after the collapse of the

1186
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,599
soviet union

1187
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:44,319
there were stories about nuclear

1188
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,000
radiation teams

1189
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,720
radiation monitoring teams who were sent

1190
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:51,040
by the soviet government to

1191
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,880
you know assess the situation after this

1192
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,560
reactor exploded

1193
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,040
and apparently one of the team members

1194
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,599
uh said that after they were there and

1195
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:01,440
had taken radiation readings which are

1196
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:03,280
extremely high

1197
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,240
this brass colored sphere appeared over

1198
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,800
the damaged reactor they estimated for

1199
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:10,319
three to five minutes

1200
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,400
and at one point while i was hovering

1201
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,119
about the damage reactor sent down two

1202
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,520
crimson colored beams of light

1203
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:19,599
for some brief period and then the thing

1204
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,400
raced away and the next time they took a

1205
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,119
radiation reading it had had diminished

1206
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:27,760
by i believe it was two-thirds uh there

1207
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:31,760
was a dramatic decrease in the the

1208
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,520
uh detectable and i don't know of any

1209
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,920
uh scientific principle that we're aware

1210
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,319
of we humans are aware of that can can

1211
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,839
account for that

1212
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,839
radioactivity has a

1213
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:46,480
predictable you know slow decay rate

1214
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:47,760
right

1215
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,720
and so what the stories basically said

1216
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,000
you know that were published in the mid

1217
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:56,079
90s was that a ufo appeared above the

1218
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,400
damaged reactor did something

1219
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,280
and suddenly the radioactivity level was

1220
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,520
dramatically reduced so that's that's

1221
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:04,880
pretty dramatic

1222
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,599
it is maybe he was just filling up the

1223
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:09,280
tank

1224
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,319
you know and it just kind of points more

1225
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,480
and more to the fact that you know

1226
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,000
they're trying to

1227
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,240
save us from ourselves in a type of way

1228
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:21,920
that's the way i read it that's the way

1229
00:46:27,910 --> 00:46:24,640
i read it um after the uh the damage

1230
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,920
reacting in japan the fukushima reactor

1231
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,560
um i've seen stories on the internet

1232
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,599
supposedly about ufo sightings at

1233
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:35,520
that site and and all of them were

1234
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:37,280
pretty bogus i haven't seen one that i

1235
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:39,599
consider credible that has valid

1236
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,560
verifiable sources they're just kind of

1237
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,880
the rumor mill that you find in you know

1238
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:47,040
on the internet but right

1239
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:48,800
it wouldn't surprise me that you know

1240
00:46:52,790 --> 00:46:50,640
whoever flying these things were taken

1241
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,800
in interest in the damage reactors over

1242
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:54,720
there as well yeah has there been

1243
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,960
anything new on the horizon of your

1244
00:47:01,670 --> 00:47:00,000
research uh more of the same i guess you

1245
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,680
could call it um

1246
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:05,119
in in september of 2012 not even a year

1247
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:07,280
ago

1248
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:09,920
there were reports around oscar flight

1249
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,520
where bob salas was back in 67 a local

1250
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,440
people in the town of roy which is

1251
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,240
basically surrounded by oscar flight

1252
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,680
the 10

1253
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:21,760
missile silos operated by this central

1254
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,839
launch control facility designated oscar

1255
00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:28,480
a woman named jennifer steyer

1256
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,560
filed a report with the sheriff's office

1257
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:32,400
fergus county sheriff's office saying

1258
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,280
she's seen two v-shaped objects

1259
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,520
silently flying very close when he took

1260
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:40,000
the wingtip

1261
00:47:45,510 --> 00:47:41,359
from

1262
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:45,520
this one missile side i think it was 03.

1263
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,359
i'd have to look at my notes

1264
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:50,240
but when i read that i went up there and

1265
00:47:54,550 --> 00:47:51,839
interviewed several people around the

1266
00:47:56,550 --> 00:47:54,560
town of roy and everybody in this little

1267
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,560
town you know who came and sat and

1268
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:58,640
talked to me had seen ufos flying around

1269
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,760
the missiles

1270
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,760
around the town just within the last

1271
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,200
year or so

1272
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,920
and intriguingly to me several of them

1273
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,760
said right around the time jennifer

1274
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,319
steyer saw these two v-shaped objects

1275
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:12,720
there was a dramatic increase in

1276
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,960
military police patrols air force police

1277
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:17,040
patrols as well as

1278
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:18,480
the appearance of these missile

1279
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,920
maintenance vans uh they're a very

1280
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:23,599
distinct looking type of van with all

1281
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,359
sorts of equipment in it

1282
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,520
that they they fix routine issues

1283
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,520
involving the missiles well suddenly

1284
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,760
right after this fighting by jennifer

1285
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,000
there was a dramatic increase in these

1286
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,760
maintenance bans all around the town of

1287
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:37,520
roy and the missile sites surrounding

1288
00:48:42,390 --> 00:48:40,240
the town so that tells me there's a very

1289
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,400
high likelihood that whatever went on in

1290
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,960
september of last year may have impacted

1291
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,040
the functionality of the missiles and

1292
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,520
suddenly you know there were had to be

1293
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,520
lots of repairs made as is what i'm

1294
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,880
driving at

1295
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:55,119
if indeed that happened that would be

1296
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,119
you know very that would be a very

1297
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:00,000
strong echo of what bob salas describes

1298
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,880
having occurred back in 67.

1299
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,200
you know i go back and forth on whether

1300
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,680
i think the government knows anything or

1301
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:10,079
whether if part of the government might

1302
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,920
know something or

1303
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,920
if maybe the government knows that they

1304
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,839
that they don't know but they don't want

1305
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,359
us to know that they don't know type of

1306
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,680
thing which what's your opinion on that

1307
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:20,720
well

1308
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:23,680
clearly uh based on the field reports

1309
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,359
the military police around the missile

1310
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,440
sites uh the missile launch officers the

1311
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,200
people that are involved in these very

1312
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,079
sensitive national security incidents

1313
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,880
the people who take their statements osi

1314
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,480
or their missile commanders that

1315
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,160
information gets kicked to a higher

1316
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:40,559
level who knows where it goes who knows

1317
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:43,040
how many people see it

1318
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,200
these very sensitive infants incidents

1319
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:47,040
are need to know i mean you could have a

1320
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:48,800
top secret clearance but if you don't

1321
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:50,720
have a need to know about these kinds of

1322
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,359
incidents you won't know about them so

1323
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,000
it's difficult to say how many people at

1324
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,160
the pentagon or the cia really have a

1325
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,720
good handle on what's going on but some

1326
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,880
number of people know the people of the

1327
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,319
field know it you know when they're

1328
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,079
standing there and they see a large disc

1329
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:08,720
coming over over a missile site

1330
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,800
and suddenly the missile malfunctions

1331
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:13,040
they know it's real they're they're

1332
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:14,720
sending their reports to someone at a

1333
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:17,119
higher level they know that these people

1334
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:18,240
are serious and they're not

1335
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:22,160
hallucinating or lying so but you know

1336
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,400
who knows up the chain of command

1337
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:27,440
where the data finally ends up

1338
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,760
it's difficult to say but and if you

1339
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,599
look at radar data

1340
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,760
there are many many many cases where

1341
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,760
these objects are being tracked on radar

1342
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,440
doing these amazing things they're being

1343
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,920
chased by jets i have a whole chapter in

1344
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,680
my book devoted to

1345
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,319
uh interviews i did with radar personnel

1346
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,400
at namstrom air force base who said you

1347
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,880
know we were tracking objects that you

1348
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,880
know could cover 200 miles in the blink

1349
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:51,920
of an eye

1350
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:54,160
doing doing zigzag maneuvers the whole

1351
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,920
time and

1352
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,760
you know flying far faster than our

1353
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,480
fastest aircraft the sr-71

1354
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,200
and uh you know so someone is collecting

1355
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,119
that radar data it's going somewhere

1356
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,119
it's being considered real

1357
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,760
um so that's that's the best way to

1358
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,680
discard it i think you know when you

1359
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:12,880
look at

1360
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:14,559
the total number of people involved in

1361
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,280
the military a very small percentage of

1362
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:18,720
them are really

1363
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,680
tuned in to you know that have have

1364
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,720
access to the data going back to stephen

1365
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,200
bassett's mantra more or less do you

1366
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,800
think that there will ever be a

1367
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,200
disclosure or do you think that enough

1368
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:33,440
of the government would even know

1369
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,359
to make a disclosure

1370
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,000
i i think it's a question of time before

1371
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,240
it happens i think unlike stephen

1372
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,400
bassett i don't think that you know even

1373
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,079
if three-quarters of them the american

1374
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:45,839
people say tell us the truth it they

1375
00:51:48,549 --> 00:51:47,200
won't tell us the truth unless they're

1376
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,559
good and ready to

1377
00:51:52,309 --> 00:51:50,400
so what he's engaged in is kind of a

1378
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:52,319
fool's errand in my view

1379
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,760
yeah i want to know the truth like

1380
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,160
everyone else but you know all the

1381
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,400
efforts over the last 70 years people

1382
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:00,720
petitioning and holding you know

1383
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,960
petition drives and congressional

1384
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,800
hearings and all the things that have

1385
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:07,119
been put forward to try to bring the

1386
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:08,559
truth out have just

1387
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:11,440
you know met with with the stonewall and

1388
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:13,119
it's not changed there's no evidence

1389
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:15,200
that governments getting closer to

1390
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:17,040
telling the truth based on any

1391
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,800
indicators i've seen

1392
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:20,880
so sooner or later the story is going to

1393
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:24,240
break i think it is likely that whoever

1394
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:26,880
are aboard these craft are going to up

1395
00:52:29,589 --> 00:52:28,640
the ante so to speak they're going to

1396
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,599
suddenly

1397
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:31,680
kick things into high gear and put on

1398
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,520
some sort of worldwide demonstration

1399
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,200
that makes it clear

1400
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,800
that we'll leave no doubt in anyone's

1401
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:39,200
mind anywhere that this is real

1402
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,920
but

1403
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,760
will any government take the bull by the

1404
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:43,520
horns and come forward and get the ball

1405
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,000
rolling i doubt it um

1406
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,319
there's a former cia employee victor

1407
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:50,960
marquette high level employee he broke

1408
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:54,480
with the agency in the early 70s he felt

1409
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:57,119
the agency was doing

1410
00:53:01,190 --> 00:53:00,480
criminal activities and so he left cia

1411
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:01,200
but

1412
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,440
at one point he wrote an article called

1413
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:06,720
how the cia views the ufo phenomenon for

1414
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,960
a magazine called second look this was

1415
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,800
in may of uh

1416
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:12,240
79

1417
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,960
and he said you know based on his

1418
00:53:20,309 --> 00:53:17,200
knowledge of what the cia knows about

1419
00:53:23,109 --> 00:53:20,319
ufos quite clearly there is a cover-up

1420
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,119
um he said there were persistent rumors

1421
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,440
very sensitive stories about crashed

1422
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,960
ufos multiple ufos crashed

1423
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:30,800
some of which had been shot down

1424
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,200
according to marchetti but most of the

1425
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,839
article was devoted to the fact that no

1426
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,880
government on earth is going to you know

1427
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,280
rock the boat so to speak by announcing

1428
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,880
all of this as real because the

1429
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,440
consequences are so unpredictable

1430
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,440
the people in power the people who are

1431
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,280
enjoying the status quo want to keep

1432
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,839
things nice and tranquil and

1433
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,599
they don't want to suddenly admit that

1434
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,160
there are forces beyond their power and

1435
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:57,520
that

1436
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,680
you know they have no control over you

1437
00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:01,280
just don't want to go on television and

1438
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:02,880
tell your citizens

1439
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:04,720
you know any in any country on earth

1440
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,040
that there's some power that's above you

1441
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:09,760
that that they have no power over

1442
00:54:14,069 --> 00:54:12,240
so marchetti's premise and i i think i

1443
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:14,079
agree is that

1444
00:54:17,829 --> 00:54:15,520
you know no one's going to really take

1445
00:54:19,910 --> 00:54:17,839
the initiative and make the first

1446
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:19,920
announcement about this it's going to

1447
00:54:25,430 --> 00:54:22,800
unfold in some other fashion

1448
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:25,440
going back to evidence i have talked to

1449
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:26,960
a couple of skeptics

1450
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,599
and i bring up the radar what i call

1451
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,760
radar evidence and they say no it's not

1452
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,079
evidence you know basically it's

1453
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:36,400
it could be anomalies it could be

1454
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,800
you know it's explained away what would

1455
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,800
you have to say to a skeptic that said

1456
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,160
that to you

1457
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:43,760
those are the people that have never

1458
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,839
actually studied the data in any given

1459
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,920
case and even a single case they're the

1460
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,240
armchair experts who make broad

1461
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,319
generalized stations statements like

1462
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,160
that they've never taken the time to

1463
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:56,160
look at the data if you look at the data

1464
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,440
you have in some cases multiple radar

1465
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,520
installations simultaneously picking up

1466
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,520
the same object all of the data are

1467
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,000
correct it's not a malfunctioning you

1468
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:08,880
know radar set in other cases you have

1469
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:11,760
visual confirmation the famous case from

1470
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,800
uh 1952 july 52

1471
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,640
where many ufos were overflying

1472
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:18,319
washington dc

1473
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,079
uh the the military and in particular

1474
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,480
the forerunner of the faa admitted they

1475
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,960
were picking these objects up on radar

1476
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:29,359
and when air force interceptors were

1477
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,680
sent up after them there were occasions

1478
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:33,920
where when they got close to the ufos

1479
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,920
they see see these luminous balls of

1480
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,040
light or

1481
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:40,079
flattened ellipse shaped balls of light

1482
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,280
or you know shaped lit light lights

1483
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,520
and that corresponded precisely where

1484
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,160
the the targets were on radar indicating

1485
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,079
these were real solid targets being

1486
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:52,799
tracked they were craft apparently

1487
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:54,799
enveloped in plasma

1488
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,920
so again people like seth shostak and

1489
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,160
all of the other armchair experts

1490
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:02,079
they just it's easier for them to shoot

1491
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:03,760
from the lip and make statements like

1492
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:04,799
that

1493
00:56:09,190 --> 00:56:07,200
it alleviates them from actually sitting

1494
00:56:10,630 --> 00:56:09,200
down and studying the data and finding

1495
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,640
out they were wrong

1496
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,160
and you know they've been making fools

1497
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,640
of themselves for decades now so that's

1498
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,079
that's how i would respond to those

1499
00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:19,040
criticisms i love it well thanks so much

1500
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,200
robert it's been another pleasant talk

1501
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,119
with you i really appreciate your good

1502
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,559
work that you do

1503
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,680
well thank you

1504
00:56:28,630 --> 00:56:27,280
well that's it for our show today thank

1505
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,640
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1506
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,640
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1523
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:08,000
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1524
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,599
back next week for uk's kevin goodman on

1525
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:13,920
warminster ufos

1526
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:16,799
well today's outro is by katie our fan

1527
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,200
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1528
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:20,880
and remember everyone out there keep

1529
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:23,680
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1530
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[Music]

1531
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so